Orange Jellybaby (Clavaria-like) fungus, on moss - exciting!

Hello Steve,

I have no idea and have not seen anything similar yet.

You need to do some microscoping to see what kind of basidia it has (heterobasidiomycete - homobasidiomycete), wether it has basidia at all, wether it might be an anamorphe fungus or wether it even might be an ascomycete.

Also I would cut one of the boggest fruitbodies into half to see how it looks inside - is it gelatinous, or tough, is it completely solide or whatever.

And I would dry at least one of the smaller fruitbodies in a temperature of 30° and preserve it in a eppendorf tube or similar thing, in case one would like to carry out some molecular study one day.

all the best,

Andreas

Good morning Steve,

could these perhaps be very young Tremiscus helvelloides? I never found them so small, and I know that they occur on wood (Was there buried wood under your mushrooms?), but I thought that the colour and pruinosity as well as the irregular shapes might fit, just by comparing pictures. This is not a real opinion, just an idea, as I'm not an experienced mycologist.

Hi Steve,

That indeed looks exciting. Im pretty sure Tremiscus helvelloides doesnt just grow directly on wood, I definitely found some on the ground this year, not directly out of buried wood. Tr. helvelloides does indeed have some similarities to your specimen but to correctly identify those i think you have to put them under a microscope like Andreas said and if at all possible, return to the place and take a look at how the fruiting bodies developed. Excited to see what it might be!

Best wishes

Christian

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Hi Steve,

That indeed looks exciting. Im pretty sure Tremiscus helvelloides doesnt just grow directly on wood, I definitely found some on the ground this year, not directly out of buried wood. Tr. helvelloides does indeed have some similarities to your specimen but to correctly identify those i think you have to put them under a microscope like Andreas said and if at all possible, return to the place and take a look at how the fruiting bodies developed. Excited to see what it might be!

Best wishes

Christian

Hallo Schrumz,

naja wie gesagt, das war halt so eine "rein optische" Idee von mir mit der T. helvelloides. In meinen Büchern stand allerdings, die sei nur auf Holz oder Holzüberresten (zB Sägemehl) zu finden. Wenn du sie auch auf Erde gefunden hast, würde sie das zumindest ein bißchen näher in den Bereich des Möglichen rücken.

Aber wenn Steve es wirklich rausfinden will, kommt er wohl ums Mikroskopieren oder sogar Einschicken nicht herum...abwarten und groß werden lassen ist natürlich auch eine gute Idee!

Edit:

Sorry, Steve, I forgot the translation! I wrote to Schrumz:

"Hello Schrumz,

as I said, it was just a kind of an "optical" idea of mine with the T. helvelloides. In my books I found the information that they grow on wood, but also on sawdust or woodchips and the like. If you've found them also on soil, it becomes a little more possible that Steve's find might be them.

But if he really wants to find out, microscoping or even sending a sample away for sequencing can't be avoided...of course, wait and see until they're grown is a very good idea, too!"

My books also write that it lives saprotropic out of organic debris, mostly buried wood but what i meant is that it doesnt always grow directly out of buried wood as far as i know.

Best wishes

Hallo Schrumz, da muß ich wohl noch mal in mehr Büchern nachlesen. Bin gespannt, was Steve herausbekommt, wenn die größer sind und/oder er sie mikroskopiert hat.

Hi Steve,

Tremiscus helvelloides was also my first idea. It may also occure on ground, I found them in great numbers at a cementary this year.

Greets

Andreas

Hi Ahemi, if you see this too, my idea mentioned above might be not so bad after all...

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Hi Ahemi, if you see this too, my idea mentioned above might be not so bad after all...

I just have no better idea, what doesen‘t mean too much. Steve should visit them again in a few days. Then we will see, weather it‘s right or wrong.

Greets

Andreas

Hi.

I usually find Tremiscus helvelloides on the ground at the side of the foot path on calcareous soil. But I've never seen them look like this. I considered it too, maybe even with some kind of infection but mainly because I could not think of a better option. Microscopy will be needed here and I'd agree that some specimen should be dried and sequenced if nothing fitting is found. They look pretty interesting, might well be something rare.

LG.

Hi Steve,

loocking at the first of the new pictures in your last post, I don’t think Tremiscus helvelloides is the right idea, because it isn‘t white inside, but of same colour as the surface, which is also different, somewhat raspberry-red.

So, no idea anymore.

Greets

Andreas

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Dear gentlemen, thank you for interest, comments and valuable suggestions about this fungus. I start tackling all your questions here, and micro in the next post. (...)

Hi Steve,

dear Lady and Gentlemen would have been nicer...

Ahemi: What a pity that our idea is no more a good idea. I didn't know how they look inside, as I never cut one. Of course you're also right with the colour: That of Steve's specimens is far too orange, as one can see in the pic with the cut cuticle.

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Ooopsss !!!! I didn't realize you are female - I thought all those who have replied were men. No open intended!

(...)

No problem, Steve! I was just joking, I'm not offended.

Just wanted to let you know who's writing... it's been my fault...you couldn't see it from my new profile picture.

My avatar before this one looked like this:

...by the way, I'm really excited about your mushroom babies and I'm looking forward to the solution.

Hi Steve, i cannot tell you what this is neither, if T. helvelloides could be an option, ripe fruitbodies should look like this beneath the microscope, you could compare in case. Kind regards, Ingo

Ps: personally I rather not think it is tremiscus. I have no other idea unfortunately. So i am looking forward to how it develops!

Hello,

the structures shown are not gelatinous, neither the outer layer nor the medullary layer. So Tremiscus is out, and I think all heterobasidiomycetes are out now. They usually have are very loosely interwoven hyphal system with much space for gelatinous matter inbetween.

As the hyphae are clampless, I wouldn't rule out ascomycetes per se. The thin hyphae of the excipulum layer looking like a trichoderm could still belong to an ascomycete.

But another idea: May be it is a very young Cotylidia (pannosa) - I have no experience with this species in immature stadium unluckily.

all the best,

Andreas

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One thing in common, there is nothing exciting to see!
Your image also fail to show distinct reproductive parts and spores.

Hi Steve, come on, don’t be so hard! did you have a jelly fungus beneath the mic? Its like playing pinball.. the specimen shoots from one side to the other as you are trying to flatten it with the coverglass.. once you managed it everything looks the same- if it looks at all.. hyaline like glass noodels. So you put dye on it and.. hyphae en masse in between the jelly, other stuff rare. So taking that in account i am pretty proud I finally found some basidia- which you can see in the center of mic pic 3 (head with 4 dreadlocks!). No spores though, you got me there

But its irrelevant anyway.. as Andreas noted the cut fruitbody reveals: no real jelly..

soo lets see what it looks like when it grows.. anything is possible.. on a hidden island far out…